159 How 33 Days Turned Test Anxiety Into Test‑Day Confidence for Madison

Hello and welcome to the Physician Assistant Exam Review Podcast. This is episode 159 and I’ve got something really special for you today. We’ve got Madison, who’s a didactic student heading into clinicals, who joined the November cohort of 33 Days to Pass the PANCE and got so much out of it that he wanted to come on and share with you just how powerful an experience it was for him. And as we’re heading into the April cohort with registration opening March 19th, and I know some of you will be on the border as to whether or not to join us and finally see all that hard work turn into points, well, I thought this would be the perfect time to share this interview. Like I said, registration is going to open March 19th. And if you want to be first to know about it, head over to physicianassistantexamreview.com and join the email list and you will absolutely hear about it first and make sure that you are signed up and ready to go for that. Again, that’ll open March 19th and we’ll get started April 1st.

But listen to what Madison has to say is if you’re concerned about how much time it takes, if it’ll fit into your schedule, he answers all those questions really, really well, probably better than I could. And it’s so great to hear what he has to say.

So let’s give him a listen and I’ll see you on the other side. Hi, I’m Madison. I am a didactic student. 33 Days helped me go from uncertain, unconfident and scared to confident, assertive and ready to see where I could go in medicine. Before you stumbled across me and this program, how was school going for you? Where were you at? How are you feeling as far as exams and studying was going?

Because you were towards the end of didactic. Yeah, yeah. So I think confidence was the biggest thing. And it was so variable. I would go from one side of the coin where I’d do great on a test. I’m like, oh, I’m on cloud nine. And then I’d get another test where I’d get like a 70, right?

Just above passing. And it’s just like, oh my gosh, I’m done for. All the negative speak that comes up. I can’t do it. But it’d be better if I just quit now kind of thing. And so that was the hard thing. It was never…

I always had to be an A, right? Everything has to be… you have to get above a 90. And it was just like this mentality of like, you’re not good enough, you’re not good enough, you’re not good enough. So I think that’s… it was kind of the negative speak and the self-confidence before the program that like it just felt like this whirlpool of going down to the drain of like, oh, crap. Like if I can’t get through didactic, how am I going to get through the rest of life, right?

Absolutely. And again, I hear it all the time. So it’s absolutely great. Can you tell me a little bit about… so when you first came across my material, when you first came across 33 Days, what were the doubts or concerns you had leaning into joining the cohort that you joined? So I think my number one concern was just I think there’s so many resources out there now that sometimes whenever you hear of like coaches or things like that, it’s like, okay, well, what’s the angle? What are they trying to sell you, right?

And that was my fear was that I was going to be getting sold something rather than, oh, I’m going to see success. And so I went into the program like… I kind of like piecemealed it. So obviously I started with your podcast. That’s how I first heard about you. And then I did The Final Step, which The Final Step took me a while to incorporate just because you’re just getting so inundated with so much material in PA school that it’s like… you talk about this, but like having too much on your plate, right?

And so that’s why I was worried about the 33 Days program. I think you do give a guarantee, though, of like if you don’t like it or something like that. So I think that was kind of like my reserve of like, okay, like this guy, he answers emails personally. He genuinely wants to see people succeed. He’s helping programs. And I think that’s kind of what pushed me over the edge was, hey, look, this isn’t just like some TikToker that’s like, oh, buy my 30-day course. It was like an honest effort that you…

like I could see success from other programs that you showcase, also interviews that you do through your podcast. I was like, okay, like I think this is within my budget. Like I can give an honest effort here. And if worse comes to worse, then we can just move on. Yeah, that’s something I try to get across is like I’ve been doing this 15 years and you can find me. You have my email address. Like it’s not…

I’m not going anywhere. This isn’t that complicated. So that’s… Yeah, I was going to say that meant more to me than anything else. The fact that like I could get a response from you like about something like actually spoke volumes to just like who you are, the products you give, things like that. It just… that’s really, for me, made the difference.

So yeah, so you’re leaning in a little bit right into my next question, which is what did make the difference for you? What did change that from being skeptical to saying, okay, you know what? Let me give this a shot. Yeah, so the first thing, like I said, yeah, just you responding to emails. I think also the intro call that we did with all the coaches, I think that was another big one because you’re not going to… you do not have coaches that sit here and say, yeah, PA school, walk in the park, man, I scored over 400 easy on all my EORs. No, you have like real life people.

Hey, I had a… my wife was pregnant while I was taking my PANCE or I had just had a baby while I was taking my PANCE. I failed the PANCE I mean four or five times was another coach. Oh, hey, I was doing this while moving, like cross country, so I was studying while moving. And like that’s really what like set me over the edge of like, oh, hey, this is real people with real lives that have struggled, have used what they learned here, and were successful. So that’s really what I was like, oh, I’m all on board. And then I remember one of the questions they asked earlier was, well, what are you worried about?

And I know a lot of people were like, oh, am I using the right study book? Am I using the right like UWorld? Or am I using a blueprint, whatever it is. And I remember my question was, I was like, hey, like am I going to get confidence here? Like that was like a different question. And all… I think all four coaches jumped on that.

And they were like, oh, well, like this is how we’re going to work that. This is how we’re going to do it. And it made me feel like I was getting personalized attention, which was big, even though we had all these people. That was a big deal. And then the second was like… I was like, oh, the things I’m worried about are going to get addressed on top of all these other things. So I just…

that’s really… I’m also sure that they were happy to answer that because we always get the same questions of which review book to use. And that’s such a… as you’ve learned, that’s such a bad question. So I hate… I get tired of answering it, not because I don’t have an answer, but because it’s just not the… it’s the wrong question.

Where questions like what you asked is like, no, no, no, this is what we do. Like that’s why it gets them excited. That’s so much fun. So at what point did you look up and say, you know what, this is different. This is going to… if I invest in this, not just money, but my time and effort, this is going to pay off for me. Where did you see that sort of flip?

What test was it? I think it was… it was… so it was a clinical medicine test that I had. I can’t remember what the subject was, but I was struggling in it. And I came out of it… this was like at the 15-day mark.

It was like 12 or 15-day mark of the 33 Days program. Took this clin-med test and I was freaking out about it. I was so worried and I did well. I left with an 80, but leaving… you had talked about, hey, like, you know, the difference between getting 100% on a test and passing. And my response to my exam grade was vastly different. My emotional response was vastly different than ever before, and that’s when it clicked.

And I remember we had a coaching call later that afternoon and I talked about that. And I was like, the anxiety is gone. The worry that I can’t do this is gone. And I think that’s when it clicked for me. It was really like, oh, how I’m responding to these tests is a lot different than what I was doing before. And so, once you change that mindset of how you approach tests, how you approach studying, how you approach just things like that, it vastly changes not only their approach to PA school, but also, like, just how you approach things in PA school, in studying, in PA school, and in life too. I think that was the other big thing too was that it changed my outlook for a lot of other things outside of school.

That’s so good to hear because one of my things you said earlier, and I wanted to touch on it, but I don’t want to interrupt you because you have so many good things to say, was that idea if you’d get an 80 or 100 and you’d feel good about yourself, you got a 70, you’d feel bad about yourself. But at no point in there did you talk about the system you were using to prepare and how you reflected on it. At no point in there did you talk about your approach or how you prepared. It was more just a, I’m a good person, I’m a bad person, based on this one number. That kind of, I mean, it’s relevant, it’s important, but there’s a lot more to you as a person than that one test score, as you saw. And we try to flatten that rollercoaster of emotions to make it easier for you to maintain and say, and look at your systems and adjust them rather than everything is a character flaw if you don’t do well. Exactly.

Yes. Perfect. So then we’re going to lead right into, so how are things going now? Where are you at as far as school goes? And so talk a little bit about where you are now and a little bit about how your end of rotation exams are going, how you’re preparing for those, how you’re feeling heading into that situation and even looking down the road at what’s coming next. Yeah. So I started clinicals in January.

So my first rotation was pediatrics. I’m in family medicine now. I took my pediatrics EOR, what was it, two weeks ago now, a week and a half ago, and I got a 78 on it, and I couldn’t have been more thrilled, especially, which is crazy, right? Like you would think, again, like I said before, right, like so much of my being was tied to my test score. Oh my gosh, I was ecstatic because it was like, hey, this thing that has taken other students out, like I just passed it. I’ve shown that, hey, it reinforced like what I’ve learned from 33 Days and how I studied is effective. And like there’s, yes, there’s more improvements to make, but it was back to like, I honestly felt like my first EOR was back to the start of PA school where it’s kind of this vast unknown of you don’t know if what you’re doing is right.

You don’t know how you’re studying is right. And you could either get this grade back and it’s a failure or you could get this grade back and it’s like 100%. And it’s like, I felt like a 78. I was like, oh, I couldn’t have been more ecstatic. Just it was a reinforcement of everything that we’ve learned. So yeah, so for moving forward, I think my next rotation is an elective and then we’ll be done with rotations in December. Then I will take the UWorld.

It’s like a 300 question test. That’ll move me into year three. And then year three for my program is a lot more of just like buckling down on studying, ton of question banks, and then a couple externship opportunities and then graduate in May of 27. And hopefully can start after that. Nice. And I love again, how you, I mean, tying off of what we just said and you’re getting that score back and again, you’re not devastated by it. You’re saying, look, this is my first piece of feedback during clinical rotations.

I know people who don’t do very well on that first exam because it’s different than anything you’ve done before. You’re sort of floating out on your own. You get the, you know, you get the blueprint, but you don’t know what’s going to come. You don’t know how that’s going to look. So it’s a much different experience. So the fact that you can just look at that and say, okay, this is what I got.

Now, how do I build for next time? There’s no good or bad to it. It’s just a system moving forward. It’s just feedback and a way to move on. I think that’s a great way to look at it and a great way to handle that. Yeah. And the other thing I want to add to, and I thought of you exactly when I was taking the test because for us, I don’t know if this is different for other programs, but we have a 60 question test, 10 minute break, 60 question test.

And again, I’m not going to give anything away, but the things you tell us to do during the break times, I did. And it was amazing because you see other people, like I at least half the class, what did they do for their break? Ignore, on to the next 60, right? And they did 120 questions straight and everything that we talked about, about being exhausted, your mind going numb at around question 100, all these things. And I was like, I remember leaving that test and yes, exhausted just because, you know, it’s 120 question test, but my energy was so much more upbeat compared to everyone else that was devastated. The same language you would hear, oh, I failed. Oh, like I’m miserable.

I’ll want to go cry. And like for me leaving that test, I was like, hey, I was able to use all my strategies all the way to 100, to question 120. Like I felt confident. I didn’t flag anything. Like I was confident in my answers. And then I think the only thing I went back to do was to make sure I answered everything. And it was awesome because everything that I learned in 33 Days, I was able to use for an end of rotation exam.

And I know I can reinforce these practices all the way to PANCE. So I felt really good about that. That was one thing I wanted to mention in this call. God, that’s so, that’s so good. Because again, I can, you can see that spiral start and I do have people who failed that first exam or fail. And then all of a sudden they can’t recover emotionally. Going into their next exam.

And because their, their, their character has been, their ego has been sort of shattered and then they don’t know how to, how to move forward out of that. But I love also what you’re saying about using strategies, using tools and saying, you know what? I have a system for this. I have a way to handle this. I have, instead of just, I sit down and take tests the way I always have and just sort of throw it at the wall and hope it works. But you have a system to move forward with. Yeah, absolutely.

And that’s, that’s one thing the program does great. And I think we had one call that I remember someone saying, I don’t do that or I don’t use that. And I think what’s great about the 33 Days is it’s not about what you use or don’t use. It’s that, Hey, here’s a tool. This has been identified. And I love this about you too. And I’ve emailed you a lot about it, but like, look, here’s this research paper or here’s this book that someone wrote or something that backs up what I’m saying.

I’m not just making things up. And then it’s like, it’s another tool in your toolbox that you get to use for whenever it comes up. Yeah. Did I spiral on that last test? No, I did not need to take five minutes to close my eyes and re-center. Like I was able to go through, but I guarantee there will be a test where I just suddenly my mind goes blank and I need to use that, that skill we were in where it’s like, just close your eyes, refocus, count to 10 and get back out. And so it’s, it’s just these little things that like help tremendously that you just, that you have a tool for in case it comes up.

That’s so much fun to hear. I just had yesterday too. One of the things I like about how we work now is a student had posted a system for remembering murmurs that they liked or whatever. And I kind of went after it a little bit and said, you know, I don’t like this at all because you’re learning. It was sort of abstract. And to me, it’s easier to learn murmurs than it is to learn this other diagram you have to draw out to get to the murmur. And for me, that’s a two or three step process that I don’t like.

So I sort of maybe overwrote that I, how much I didn’t like this approach, but immediately one of my coaches jumped in and said, just because Brian said so doesn’t make it right. Do what works for you. These are all tools and approaches that everybody uses differently and we’re presenting them. And that’s one of the things I love is that everybody does things differently. So it is just about sharing ideas and realizing it’s more about creating a system for yourself and picking and choosing the tools that you’ve, that you want to use, but realizing that there are tools. That’s where people, you know, I hate when I see Reddit posts that say, I’ve tried everything and I’m still not doing better. I’m like, no, no, no.

You’ve tried everything you can think of. You haven’t tried everything. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Reddit for as good as it is in communicating things at work, like it really can be this, this whirlpool drain of like, oh, there’s nothing left.

And it’s like, you just grasping at straws and what a better program than the 33 Days to help you out. If you were talking to someone who’s thinking about taking this program, who’s struggling, how would you describe the program for them? Yeah. So we talk about this a lot in the program, which I actually really liked was it’s not necessarily about changing everything that you’re doing. It’s either reinforcing things that have made you successful in the past or learning a new way to apply the things that you’ve already learned. One thing I loved was like, I had felt like I didn’t have a lot of confidence in myself, especially once you start, like if you fail a test or you’re not getting the grades that you want, all the straight A’s that you had to get in pre-med and undergrad years. When you get to a PA program and you’re starting to struggle, your confidence just shoots way down.

One thing I loved about the 33 Days program was that it reinforces not only that, hey, you can do it, here’s the proof, but also, hey, how do we keep that moving forward for something as specific as medicine? And so a lot of the program does focus on, hey, how were you successful before?

Let’s redo that. And then also too, hey, here’s a new way to think about it. Here’s a new way to think about learning, how to memorize things, how to learn things, and how to incorporate it in a way that’s not just burdensome. It’s going to be something that sticks with you for a lifetime. There’s things that we went over in the program, stories, or ways to think about things that I still use today going into my clinical rotation. So it’s a wonderful program that will really help reinforce skills that helped you get into PA school and then will now help you set up for the PANCE. One of the questions I get all the time is that I struggle to answer, so I look to you guys to answer, to help me with this, is how much time does this take up?

You know, I’m a busy clinical student, I’m a busy didactic student, how am I going to fit this into everything I’m already doing? I just can’t see adding something else. How would you answer that person, you know, without going into huge detail about everything that we do and making it too, you know, too cumbersome, but how would you answer that person whose question is about how do they fit this in amongst all the other things that are expected of you during your day? And how did you do it? Yeah, absolutely. I’ll add a little bit, a little bit more to that, that laundry list of things. So, obviously, I’m a PA student, right?

I was in didactic year and all the things that come with didactic year. On top of that, I’m a father, so I have a three-year-old son. I’m married, so I have a wife. I am also in the reserves, the Navy reserves. So, on top of all of that, right, you have this program and it was so manageable and how it’s broken down into days, it actually reinforces a lot of the things that you want from a program like this. And what I mean by that is, so you have smaller things that you complete every day. So, like one, I’ll give one away, but it’s like drinking water, right?

I don’t want to give everything of the program away, but, like, it’s something that’s so small that you’re just like, how could, how could anyone forget to drink water? We had three people in our class pass out during class from non-drinking water, from being dehydrated. Wow. Exactly. So, this stuff happens. You have, I, you know, you have these things that you just forget. I mean, you get, you get into the program and stuff like that.

So, to go back to the question of like, how much time did this take? It really is up to you. I remember one of the coaches, I’m forgetting his name, but similar situation as me where he’s married. He has, he either had a kid or had a child on the way and he did it.

Now, yes, his, how he studied looked a lot different from how someone maybe with no kids studied, but that’s what the program does is it teaches you, hey, it’s not necessarily about changing everything around you. It’s trying to find how to maximize your time, get the most out of your day, most out of your hour, whatever it is you have to study. And that’s what’s great. You’re never going to run out of resources in this program, but you’re always going to find ways to maximize your learning, maximize your time. And so, really, to answer your question, you know, it could take as little as an hour. It could take as long as six hours.

Now, I don’t, of course, I know you don’t recommend it. I don’t recommend six hours a day, but it really is, you can really fit it in where you need to fit it, how you need to fit it. And that’s all things you learn in the program too. I think that’s another thing that the program does well is it teaches you, hey, it doesn’t just have to be the singular thought every day. It’s variable because we live variable lives. Not every day is going to look the same. So, yeah, that was great.

Thank you. Because again, I personally have a hard time characterizing it. I get that question all the time. And I was like, some people half an hour, some people an hour, some like, and it’s very hard for me. And I know on the other side for someone to hear that is like, well, what the hell do you mean? How does, how does, how is it variable? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It really is. It’s, it’s one of those things that like, I know people that that’s exactly like they, they have their schedule from 8am to 9am. I’m studying and they’re able to do that. Whereas me, like, you know, if my kid wakes up at 3am sick, well, I’m probably not going to be alert and awake at 9, at 8am to study till 9. So it does look different.

But that’s one thing I appreciated about the program that it wasn’t this strict, like you have to make this phone call every day. You have to, you have to do, follow this routine every day. There is some things in there, but like I said, those are small things that are bite-sized and they, they can be accomplished every, the dailies can be accomplished every day and actually do help. So before we move on a little bit, I want to just touch on the fact, because you’re in such a transition point in your schooling. So it’s such a good spot to ask this question. I have students concerned about doing this either too early in clinical or during didactic year, because obviously it’s titled 33 Days to Pass the PANCE and it’s marketed towards the PANCE because 33 Days to Pass didactic year just doesn’t have the same ring to it. So I can’t really lead with that.

But what would you say to somebody who’s either in their didactic or early clinical and they’re saying, you know what, I’m really interested, but I’m going to hold off six months. I’m going to hold off to right before my PANCE. I’m going to wait. I don’t like what I talked about before where it’s all about the tool set. So yes, the 33 Days like moniker and like the setup is good for the PANCE. And again, it’s another tool that you can use to set up for the PANCE. But more importantly, it’s there’s skills and skill sets that they teach you that help you with everyday things.

I’m talking, you know, ClinMed exams all the way to pharmacy. Pharmacy was my, I remember asking you, I asked every coach about pharmacy. And while I wasn’t perfect, like I made it through, right? And so it’s things like that, that this program helps set up your mind frame or your framework for approaching tests. And that’s the biggest thing. Like I almost, like if I had to rename this class, it’d be like, like PA school framework or something akin to that because that’s what it is. I remember going into PA school and, you know, love my teachers, absolutely love them.

But a lot of them, you know, they’re like, well, hey, you need to do this. You need to study this way. You need to take this approach. But then when you hear that from five different teachers of the five different ways they want to approach it, and guess what? None of those are how you approach things. Of course, you’re going to struggle. Of course, you’re going to have a hard time.

One thing I loved about the program was there was things that we go over that I was like, I used to do that. Why did I stop? And then it’s like, oh, I stopped because someone told me to. Not because it wasn’t working, because someone told me. And so it’s little things like that. That’s why I say, like the earlier, the better for this program. Honestly, if you could even have like, you know, a month or two before a program starts, if you could have students walk through this or even offer to students, hey, look, if you’re worried, concerned, or you struggled in undergrad, like to take this course, oh my gosh, it would have made my entire didactic, I don’t want to say easier, but less anxiety ridden, less, less depressive, less, I can’t do it.

Really, because again, like I said, a lot of the stuff you’re already doing and you just need to be reminded how to do it. Yeah, I love that. There’s a guy that I learned from who talks about that a lot, that you need to, maybe you don’t need to learn anything new, but you probably need to be reminded because you probably were doing things, like you said, and the other thing you touched on, which I love, my oldest will talk about that because he’s a baseball player, I talk about him all the time, and he’s got his high school coach, he’s got his high school hitting coach, he has his AAU coach, he has his AAU hitting coach, he has his private batting coach, he’s got four different, five different people, then he’ll go to a camp and someone wants to talk to him about hitting, all want to change everything that he’s doing, right? So he has to assimilate, I can’t be rude, I have to sort of nod along, but how do I, and how do you handle, you know, that nodding along and agreeing, and then maybe taking one piece and then maybe taking another piece, but realizing they don’t have all the truth for you, that they have good answers, that they’ve got good solutions, they have tools that worked for them and for other students, but you’re an individual, so maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t, now let’s synthesize that into the test taker that Madison is, into the studier that you are, and use the tools that have worked for you historically, but let’s see if we can add some little pieces or think about them a little bit better or apply them in a more systematic way. Exactly, and that’s one thing, I think what’s so unique about PA school, right, is most of us don’t jump from undergrad into PA school. A lot of times you have to take that year, two years, three years to kind of build up our resume, build up our clinical experience before we apply, and so you are out of school for one to three years, if not longer. I was out of school almost eight years before I got into school, so it’s not that I was a, I suddenly became a bad, dumb student, I just, I hadn’t been practicing being a student, which it does take practice, and so that was a great way, like I said, this program was a great way to reinforce that, reawaken those skills, and really be able to have confidence moving forward.

Another thing too, and you just touched on it, I’m a huge sports guy, and so I actually, before your program, I was asking my wife, I was like, hey, should I go see a sports psychologist to like get confidence, like just like hitting in baseball, right? Like plenty of players. It’s the same. Yeah, it’s the same thing, and so that’s, those are the techniques you use, and that’s what makes this program so successful is that a lot of the things you’re using, like I said, have been backed up by science, have been shown and proven to work. I’ve forgotten how many times we talked about Harvard, memorization techniques and stuff like that, so it’s a wonderful program to just set you up for success for didactic. Yeah. It’s, what’s incredible too is my, so I have a buddy that I sat next to during school and his start of school was very successful, right?

I think he got 100 on one of the Clin Med tests, like impressive, right? And it’s funny because there’s this parallel, he started to go down, I took your program and now like we’ve gone the opposite way where, again, not necessarily the scores but just mental health and I mean, he told me the other day after the first EOR exam, he slept for two days straight. Why? Because he was up for three days before the EOR and I was like, you’re crazy. It’s so interesting. Yeah, he has no kids, he, you know, no major responsibilities, has a scholarship and it’s insane to me to think like, oh, hey, you have all this time and you still feel this way versus like how much I have to do and I feel great and I get it. I’m telling you right now, it’s a testament to your program.

It really is. It’s, it’s, I’m so thankful I found it and I took it and that, yeah, now I get to actually live my life while in PA school versus, oh, just shut down for 28 months. Yeah, and you see so many people do that and sometimes that constraint that you have is actually a benefit. You know, we have people and you probably heard me talk about this a little bit. There are people in the program who had failed the PANCE and were studying eight or 10 hours a day and then you have people like you who are like, I can only get 20 minutes in so I’m mad at you because you have 10 hours and I, for me personally, I know that both suck. I know that having that, all that time is also difficult because now you have to manage it into a box versus if you, you’re stuck in a tiny box, you got to get your stuff done and keep moving. There is some, I’m not saying it’s a good situation but it is, there are some advantages to that.

Mm-hmm. No, exactly. Yeah. And I think you mentioned it too at the beginning of the program where it was like, oh, hey, look, like this like six hours a day thing that you’ve been doing and it’s not working, like you need to walk back from that and like, you know, yes, you can look at everything but, and you talk about this in your podcast all the time too, it’s like, yeah, you can look at everything but what are you going to do when only, you know, 10 things out of 100 showed up and now are you upset that Prinzmetal angina didn’t, didn’t show up on the test? Are you flipping the table? Like, and it’s like, you can’t, you can’t be like that. So yes, like part of it is a game and part of it is strategy but also too, part of it is just like, hey, look, like I’m going to miss this.

Like, like I loved, I used your soundbite for vaccines all the time for my end of rotation exam, or end of didactic exam because that was a 300 question test, or excuse me, 240. And everyone was like, oh, you’ve got to remember vaccines. Again, just like you said, one question, one question. And I was like, it wasn’t worth it guys. And I just, I just, it sent me over the moon when like, I was like, what he said was so right. I just made me happy. That makes me feel good if you come out with a line like that.

Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I quote, I quote you so much. Like, I don’t, I don’t say it all the time, but like, I quote you so much. Cause I’m like, I don’t know guys, like remembering the vaccine schedule. I don’t, I don’t think for the peds test. Yes.

For this. No. And right. There’s no, and to your point about your friend, like, but I see that all the time and people who just, if I work harder, if I’m more anxious, if I worry more, that will protect me. And I’m, and that’s where I’m trying to get people away from. Yeah. I, again, you and I talked about this one time where it’s like, you know, attributed to, to a hobby or something else like that.

I know for you and me, but can you just imagine playing a whole season of baseball and playoffs and then immediately starting the season over again? No rest. No, no. Hey, let me review something, you know, or could you imagine doing, you know, the, you know, two a days every day or. And that, and that’s something you like, by the way. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

Right. And so it’s like that. These are the things where I’m like, Hey, attributed to literally anything else. It does not make sense. Like we, that’s one like thing with baseball. That’s hard. It is so many people will sit here and be like, Oh, Hey, like, this is just the program.

This is just is what it is. But that, that’s hard to hear that because it’s like, well, Hey, not every program is created equally. Not every person’s going through the same struggle. So you do need to personalize it. You do need to relate it to like, Hey, does this make sense for me? Like you said, some people sitting 10 hours a day does work for others. Like myself, it doesn’t.

And so it’s like attribute that to something else and see if it makes sense for you. I like what you did there. Cause I’ll often say in relation to the PANCE or these 300 question tests, you know, you’re expecting to be able to sit down and read for five hours straight. You couldn’t read your favorite book for five hours and not have your eyes bleed. Like it’s not, it does. It’s so unrealistic to think you can do that, but I love how you connected that to that continuation of studying and doing something that you like on repeat forever. It’s still going to kill you.

Like you still can’t do that. Let alone something this mentally taxing and this intense.

All right. That was a fantastic. Madison did such a great job. Was such an amazing member of the cohort contributing, showing up to all the meetings, doing everything perfectly. Not everybody has to do that. By the way, I’ve had students from Alaska. I’ve had students from England.

I’ve had a student, actually one student in Germany who was in the army and then actually had to fly to Spain to take her PANCE because they didn’t have any facilities in Germany. And those students weren’t able to attend anything live, obviously. So you can make this fit into just about any lifestyle, any, that’s the way that we designed the whole thing. So if you liked what Madison had to say, if you think this is going to be valuable for you, definitely get on the email list at physicianassistantexamreview.com. And we will make sure to notify you. If you have any questions, of course, reach out and me or the coaches will get back to you and help to help you to decide if this fits in for you. If it makes sense, I’ve actually had a few people reach out who it didn’t make sense for.

So definitely, if you have any questions, certainly reach out to us and let us know. But again, registration opens March 19th for the April cohort.

All right, take care. And I will talk to you again next week.